teaching/sermons/col-1-15-20/expansion/icoc_alpha_omega/clean/03-god-centered-spirituality-daniel-autumn-corbett.md

God Centered Spirituality | Daniel & Autumn Corbett

Col 1:15-20 prep relevance: RELEVANT

Why kept: Opens directly with Col 1:28–2:7. Preaches on maturing "in Christ," being rooted and built up in him, and warns against deception by fine-sounding arguments (Col 2:8). Sustained engagement with the Colossian situation — useful runway INTO the Col 1:15-20 hymn.

Key excerpts:

00:00:00 We're going to get started with some prayer here. >> Let's go to God. >> Father, we're only here because of your grace. You've given us all a love that you designed for us from the beginning. A love that we don't deserve, but we so happily accept. I pray that during this time, God, you

00:00:30 would speak through our through your spirit to our individual hearts that we would have ears to hear the words you have to say to us. We love you, Father. Amen. [Music] >> Our ministry, aren't they cute? Look at them. baby. [Music]

00:01:08 >> All right. >> There we go. So, yeah, this is my family. So, you got myself, my wonderful wife, Autumn, and then our wonderful daughter, Rosie up front. family was established in 2018. That's when we started dating. Really, it's 2021 when we got married. And then Rosie came to life in 2024. So, my wife and I moved to Seattle about

00:01:40 2 and a half years ago, and we've had the pleasure of serving the campus ministry full-time there. So, we really love being there and we're really happy all of you guys are here this morning. And we're really privileged just to be able to talk to you guys about God's word and what he's been doing in our lives. And that's really what we're going to be doing today is just sharing with you guys about what God has been teaching us in hopes that in relation you guys might learn something too. >> So, today we're going to be talking about God- centered spirituality.

00:02:11 When you think about that, what is God- centered spirituality? Well, it's making God the center of the reason that we are spiritual, right? God the reason why we do things. Because let's be honest for a second, we're humans and we got mixed motives. Like the the proverbs say that a man's heart is deep waters. Who can know it? And so what it takes to have a God- centered spirituality is actually a lifetime because it's on a

00:02:43 spectrum where God continues to develop and refine our motives as time goes on. Right? But what we're going to talk about today is that process of maturing. So we're going to talk about maturing in Christ and then we're going to talk about maturing for Christ. Sound good? >> Yeah. >> All right. So, maturing in Christ, go ahead and turn to Colossians chapter 1.

00:03:14 And while you guys are turning there, I just want to reflect a little bit on ICMC so far. ICMC is an amazing time. Maybe for some of you, this is your first time here, second, third. How many people this is your fourth ICMC? >> So few of you. How many of you this is your first ICMC? >> Whoa. >> That's what I'm talking about. Second and third. >> Come on. Come on. >> Okay. So, you've heard some really

00:03:44 inspiring lessons so far, right? >> How many of you guys have heard something that has touched your heart so far? ICMC is an amazing time where we leave here feeling inspired and motivated and then when you get home, reality starts to set back in. Okay? And not to be a downer right now, but the ICMC hype isn't real life.

00:04:17 >> Real life is getting back home and putting the things you just heard into practice. When you get home and the conference hype dies out, what's going to inspire you to make the changes that you need to make? >> When you get back home and the conference motivation dwindles, what's going to push you to do the things you said you were going to do while you were here? >> That's real life.

00:04:47 >> So today, what we're going to talk about is maturing in our relationship with God. and for our relationship with God. So in that scripture Colossians 1 28 through chapter 2:5 it says he is the one we proclaim admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. To this end I strenuously contend with all the

00:05:17 energy Christ so powerfully works in me. I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those in Leoa and for all who have not met me personally. My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ, in whom are

00:05:47 hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine sounding arguments. For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is. >> Okay. So I really appreciate Paul's message here to disciples he hasn't even met. >> To the church in Colasse, he's like,

00:06:19 "Look, I haven't even met any of you." He didn't even plant the church there. And he's writing to them contending for your faith. I want you guys to think about where we are for a second. Everybody in this room is rooting for you. >> Like, we haven't even met each other and we're rooting for each other's faith. >> I want you to think of your ministers for a second. >> All of them contend so hard for your faith. >> All of them want nothing but to see you

00:06:49 guys come to maturity in Christ. Because what that does is gives you a more complete understanding of who Jesus is. >> And that's what gives us the riches of life. >> Having a better understanding of who Jesus is enriches our life and brings us to fullness. >> Paul really wanted them to become fully mature in Christ. And this is what Christ wants for us >> to become mature in him. So what does

00:07:20 that mean practically? to become mature in Christ. Well, if you look down at verses 6 and 7 here in Colossians chapter 2, it says, "So then, just as you received Christ as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, rooted and built up, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, >> and overflowing with thankfulness."

00:07:50 >> Just going to turn this Wi-Fi off. So I want you guys to picture this, okay? When bamboo is planted, when bamboo is planted, it starts its growth by dig by digging its roots down. And it spends up to 5 years developing a relatively deep complex root system before it ever even starts to grow up.

00:08:20 And then when it's finally ready to mature and grow up, it can suddenly grow up to three feet tall in one day. >> And if before that it grew 0 feet tall in one day, that's a 300% increase in one day. And a lot of people would look at that bamboo and think, I want to be able to do that. I want to go 3 feet in one day. But they don't consider how the roots have been being dug and built for four years before that. >> Amen. And what I'm saying is that a lot

00:08:50 of us want to do big things for Christ without doing the work to be rooted in Christ first. >> You know what happens if bamboo grows without having deep roots? >> It gets its growth gets stunted. Its leaves are unhealthy and it falls over when the storms come. You know what happens if we try to do more things for Jesus without having the

00:09:20 relationship with Jesus to support it? We stay immature as Christians. The fruit we bear in our personal life isn't all that good and our faith gets uprooted when the storms of life come. And what does this look like for us practically in the ICO in our fellowship of churches? What does this look like? It looks like sharing your faith with a thousand people but not even praying for 30 minutes a day.

00:09:52 >> Like we're forgetting what the whole point of it all is. >> It looks like studying the Bible with five different people but not even trying to grow in your own knowledge of God's word. It looks like going on trips with disciples and fellowshipping with people every day, but not making extended time and spending it with Jesus. >> Like not just your regular quiet times like I'm going to go be with God for the day. >> So when Autumn and I moved to Seattle

00:10:24 before that we worked uh in full-time uh medical. She was a nurse and I was a physical therapist assistant at an out uh patient orthopedic facility. And so I was seeing like 15 patients a day. She was working super hard on three to four patients a day. And then we moved to Seattle. It been a couple years since we've been in the campus ministry. And so we started doing campus ministry and doing the things that we had done before because those things worked,

00:10:54 right? We started hitting the pavement and sharing our faith. Right? We started spending so much time with people and I quickly realized that it's a lot different in the ministry. You can't have 15 appointments in one day. That that your EQ grows so exponentially. But you guys know this as disciples spending time with people like it can drain you, right? But we cared so much about growing the ministry and doing more for Jesus. But by the end of

00:11:24 the first quarter, nobody had become disciples. And that was not okay with me. >> And that's that's okay. That's actually a good thing. If if you're upset that nobody's getting baptized, like I I think God's upset, too. >> Not at you, but he loves people and wants people to come to the faith, right? >> So, it's only natural that as Jesus's disciples, we would care about that as well. Yeah, >> but when I'm upset like that, I go to

00:11:57 the treadmill. >> Okay. Because I don't I don't really like cardio. All right. I'm a I'm bodybuilder by trade. Uh and cardio is just not my thing really. But I was actually really sick that week and needed to get back into the gym nice and slow. So hopped on the treadmill and I was walking and I was just praying to God about how I felt about the porter that I was doing so much for Jesus but not seeing what I thought would be

00:12:28 the fruit of it. >> And I thought, man, I'm just not being I don't feel like I'm being as radical as I used to be in my faith. like I'm doing the exact same things I used to, but still somehow not feeling like I'm actually doing a lot for Christ. >> And what I realize is is when you've been doing something for a long time, it starts to not take as much faith to

00:12:58 do it. >> You can get used to things. And this is because Christ wants us to mature in him. He doesn't want us to just stay in the same place. And what I realized is I was trying to do more for Christ without actually spending more time with Christ. >> I was spending the same amount of time with Jesus that I was when I had a full-time job outside of the ministry. >> And I had to be convicted. You know what sounds radical to me? Praying for an

00:13:28 hour a day. >> My my evangelist holds himself to 18 hours of prayer a week. And I thought, I I don't even pray for an hour a day. >> What is that like? >> That sounds like a whole new relationship with God. Like, I don't even know what it feels like to sit there and do that by myself. You know, I've been to a prayer night, all night prayer night, and stuff like that here and there where I'm encouraged by other

00:13:59 people, but what about my own walk with God? How come I don't pray more than I did eight years ago, 10 years ago? And so I said, "Well, let me just go back to my roots and be a disciple and learn, right? Let me learn in my relationship with God." So I called my evangelist up and I said, "Dude, I really want to know how to pray like you do. I really want to know how to grow deeper in my relationship with God. Can you help me do that?" He was like, "Of

00:14:31 course." Right? Right. So, we got together in the parking lot of kind of the athletic facility of the University of Washington and we prayed for an hour and a half and it went so quickly and it showed me what a rel what a deeper prayer life could really look like. >> And you know what's crazy? That quarter I was doing behind the back lateral raises on the cables and this guy comes up to me and he's like, "Hey, why do you do cable raises like that?

00:15:02 And I was like repeating what my evangelist says in my head. Dude, you just invited yourself out to church, you know? So, and what's crazy is in a sin study eventually with this guy, he admitted to me that the only reason he came up to me was to try and get free personal training. Okay? And he got way more than that. I gave him free personal training. Okay? But then I also studied the Bible with him and he got baptized and became a disciple. He turned around, baptized his friend, and he became a

00:15:33 disciple. And we've had growth ever since. But here's the interesting thing is I knew cuz this I know our culture. Our culture is to clap when people get baptized. But nobody's clapping when I say an hour of prayer. >> Nobody's clapping when I say that my evangelist holds himself to 18 hours of prayer a week. It's easier in my opinion for me to baptize somebody than it is to

00:16:03 pray for 18 hours a week. >> And this speaks to the kind of maturity in Christ that God wants us to develop >> because so many of us are trying to do more for Jesus without actually growing deeper in Jesus first. Ask yourself, do I pray more than I used to?

00:16:34 >> Do I know God's word more than I used to? Is my relationship with God the most important relationship in my life? Maturing in Christ is recognizing that doing things for Jesus is not the end goal. >> Living life with Jesus is the end goal. Maturing in Christ is recognizing that trying to do life for Jesus without doing life with Jesus results in

00:17:04 burnout, >> stunted growth in your faith, and falling away from the truth. Because of what I love about our fellowship of churches is we are big doers. I really connect with that and I love it. It's our biggest strength and our biggest weakness because we can miss the part where we're actually supposed to connect with Christ and do things out of an overflow of our relationship with Jesus. >> And we all do this. I get burnt out.

00:17:34 But whenever I am, it's because I'm not building deeper with Jesus. So, we're talking a lot about maturing, right? And for me, maturing is seeing a relationship with God as a relationship with God and not just dos and don'ts, right? So, I want to give you all a little bit of overview of what's

00:18:04 happening to the churches in Galatia. So, the church in Galatia, exactly. The church in Galatia started following the rules of the law again like circumcision. But after they had already tasted the grace of God through Jesus and Paul was feisty about it, he was calling them to not cling to a new gospel that isn't a gospel at all. And he says in Galatians 1:10, "Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to

00:18:34 please people, I would not be a servant of Christ." >> Paul was standing on business. Religious leaders were leading people astray. And even Peter was getting caught up in the insecurity, caring what people thought. But no one can find salvation through following the law. The law was useful for a time, but our salvation comes through Jesus, not through the law. Slavery to the law is not our lot in life now as disciples. In Galatians 5:1, it says, "It is for freedom that Christ

00:19:04 has set us free. Stand firm then and do not let yourselves be burdened again by the yoke of slavery. Do you want the law or do you want grace? >> My nature is definitely one to be burdened again by the law of slavery. Um to follow all the rules, striving after righteousness from my own way of living, trying to be perfect. And a verse that actually had always really tripped me up with this. I was like, "Okay, I'm not supposed to be perfect." But then Matthew 5:48 says, "Be perfect as your heavenly father is

00:19:35 perfect." Um, but I just learned recently actually from our church leaders. They just did a lesson together um out in Seattle. And the Greek for perfect is to which means complete labor, growth, finished the climb. And God is calling us to grow, to repent, to look at the world differently, and to mature. Mhm. >> He doesn't want me to feel burdened anymore. He wants me to feel freedom in him. >> He wants me to focus on growing, not

00:20:07 reaching some destination. God's grace is sufficient. I don't need to try and outdo his grace with some vain efforts towards perfection. So, how is your understanding of God's grace? That's a quiet time question right there. How much do I really understand that God loves me, that God forgives me, and that he doesn't want me to be burdened again by the yoke of slavery? So, a little bit about my story. Um, I

00:20:37 grew up in this family of churches, and I've always been one to really want to follow the rules, do the right thing. I've always had a very sensitive conscience that was pricricked really easily. Um, I went to school out at University of Colorado, Colorado Springs. I went to nursing school as Daniel mentioned. Um I graduated in May of 2021 and while I was looking for a nursing job, I got this work from home position with the county public health. Um and it was doing COVID contact tracing. So basically I was the one that

00:21:08 called you and told you you're positive or you've been exposed to someone positive or who are all the people that you were in contact with so that I can do all the things and all the stuff on the back end for the county. It was horrible. Um, and because of this job, I had to know all of these rules, policies, all of this stuff and all the COVID craziness. And since it was in relation to all of these severe outcomes that we were hearing about from everyone, it set something off inside of me. Um, now my sister has had anxiety

00:21:40 and OCD kind of her whole life. It showed up a lot when she was a kid. Um, but something about this position is what set it off in me. I'm sure there's a gene somewhere that made it happen. So that's awesome. Um, so my OCD started in ways Daniel and I had just gotten married >> and it started in ways that we couldn't really recognize um because they were kind of good things that I was was feeling these compulsions to do. Um, but it was affecting my work as a nurse. It was affecting my personal life and I saw everything that I did as having these

00:22:10 catastrophic consequences and ultimately I was putting the weight of outcomes on myself and there was no room for God's sovereignty or his grace. These are just a few of the thoughts that I experienced. Um, if I don't go and see if there's a homeless person out there that needs a blanket, they're going to die. Did I just see a girl out on the sidewalk? She looks distressed. What if she's in trouble and she needs me? I need to go back and try and find her. Was that thing on the side of the road just a trash bag or is this a person who needs my medical help? I have to redo

00:22:41 and redo and redo this procedure for my patient to ensure there is no chance of contamination. I have to take this blood pressure over and over and over because what if I did it wrong and there's something wrong with this patient? I have to go invite this person to church. I have to. I have to. I have to. It's all on me. Many others. Um, but all my thoughts were rooted in me carrying the weight of the world, of people's lives, and of the outcomes on my own shoulders in um, let's see, in the book of Isaiah,

00:23:14 I forgot to write the reference. It's in Isaiah. You can ask me later if you need it. Uh, but it says, "I am the Lord and there is no other. Apart from me, there is no God. I will strengthen you though you have not acknowledged me so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know that there is none besides me. I am the Lord and there is no other. I form the light and create the darkness. I bring prosperity and create disaster. I the Lord do all these things. God is in the

00:23:47 one that's in control of all these things. It's not me. I could do everything right and it could go all wrong. Or I could do everything wrong and it could go right >> because it's up to God. It's not up to me. >> I did a lot of talk therapy for a while, EMDR therapy, got on medication to help my anxieties to subside with my OCD and compulsions. And thankfully, God worked through these things to bring me some relief even though it's constant battle for me. Our goal is not perfection. It's growth.

00:24:17 Our goal is not carrying the weight of the world. It's giving things up to God. >> Our goal is not just doing things for Jesus. It's living life with Jesus. >> Amen. >> Amen. And in Colossians 2:7, it says that if we stay rooted in Christ, built up in him, then we will be strengthened in the faith as you were taught and overflowing with thankfulness. So this is all to say that doing things

00:24:49 for Christ is good. >> Like doing things for Jesus is good, but it needs to come out of an overflow of thankfulness for in our relationship with Jesus. And honestly, a certain level of intimacy with Jesus while you're in college is just appropriate. Like you guys shouldn't feel bad at all about your relationship with Jesus. That's not what we're getting at at all. But what we are saying is that there

00:25:19 needs to be a maturing in taking responsibility for your growth in your personal relationship with Jesus. >> If we devote ourselves to maturing in our relationship with Jesus, our hearts will overflow with thankfulness and result in us doing the good works he has in store for us. The only difference is is now we won't be bitter about doing more. will actually be excited about doing more >> and grateful for doing more. >> So, we need to have a conviction to mature in our personal relationship with

00:25:50 God in Christ. But here's the thing. There's a trap. We can't do it for people. [Music] >> We can't do it for people. Which is why we're going to talk about maturing for Christ. Who are you maturing for? For man or for Jesus? >> Colossians 2:8 says, "See to it that no

00:26:22 one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ." Okay. So the situation here was that the church in Kalis were being deceived by man-made hollow philosophies that were deceptive in nature. Saying like Kyle preached last night, you actually need more than Christ, >> not just Christ. Okay? And in the same way, when we follow church traditions

00:26:52 just for the sake of following tradition, the philosophies of life we develop from that will result in hollow disciplehip. >> Yeah. built on the selfdeception that just doing church is good. >> I can just do church. I don't need Christ. I can just do church. And here's the thing. I don't think any of us are going to actively think that. Like, but hear me when I say that we all experience that. Okay? And here's what I

00:27:24 mean. We can all struggle with this. What this looks like in our church is we want to get better at church things so that we can be socially accepted. >> Y >> our disciplers said we should do it. So that's why we do it. >> We show up to meetings of the body because we should, not because we love Jesus and want to love his people. >> We share our faith not because we're overflowing with thankfulness for Jesus, but because we feel pressured to do it.

00:27:56 When someone is discipling us, we get defensive and assume the worst about that person's intentions instead of trying to listen to what Jesus might be trying to teach us. Maturing for Jesus means that we take responsibility for our own spirituality.

00:28:26 So, back in Galatians 1:10, am I now trying to win the approval of human beings or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ. Do you look to God or to people to feel okay in your faith? For me, I can sometimes forget that the the goal of James 5:16, therefore, confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so you may be healed, is for the prayer to do the healing, not the magic of the other person.

00:28:58 >> And as I shared earlier, my conscience is really easily pricricked. And this has helped me immensely to have deep convictions about getting sin into the light, living an exposed life. But I can take it to the extreme of getting my peace from people and not from prayer to my father. And I'm working on this literally right now. Constant battle. I have also seen how people and their help can easily be prioritized over God. So when we graduated the campus ministry in 2021, there was a huge group of us

00:29:29 that moved into the yo ministry out in the springs. >> Started. >> Yeah. It revitalized. There was like and then it was huge. Um, so we had a lot of fun. We kind of brought the ministry back to life. There was all these people. Uh, but a few months into the fall, about half of our group either walked away from God altogether or walked away from the church. >> Wow. >> Being motivated by church traditions and social pressures proved fruitless when the traditions they were used to changed.

00:30:00 >> This transition from structured campus ministry to working a full-time job in the YOPro ministry is tough. And I think there are so many different seasons in our life. Even as you guys are students, the transition of fall quarter to immediately you're at home, winter break, it's Christmas, you're around family and no disciples. Um or even just going from fall quarter to spring quarter and you see the difference in the pace of life and the pace of ministry. There's so many transitions and we don't always teach about being a disciple in all stages of

00:30:31 life. I think this can be a weak point in our campus ministries. And like Daniel said earlier, the hype of ICMC is going to come to an end, but also the hype of campus ministry will come to an end at some point. You won't hopefully be in school for the rest of your lives in MSA ministry with 18 to 21 year olds. You won't forever be blitzing the campus and multiple Bible studies a day, have someone checking in on you every day, have three events every week. And I implore you guys to please take the time

00:31:01 now to learn how God wants you to be faithful in all seasons of life and to go to him first. >> Learn to be faithful in the busy, in the slow, in the lonely, in the full of people. Our relationship with God cannot rely on the people around us to spoon feed us. So this is an analogy that my campus minister taught us. Are you becoming a zoo disciple? Are you solely staying faithful because someone is texting you every day? Are you reading

00:31:31 your Bible? Did you pray? Do you want to have a quiet time together? Do you want to join this study? Do you want to come here on campus with me? Will you be faithful if someone doesn't ask you those questions every day? If maybe that person's struggling in their faith, are you only faithful because of the people around you? Are you only faithful because of the structure of campus, because of the questions, the checking in? >> Do you look to God or do you look to people first? >> How can you learn to feed your

00:32:02 relationship with God? How can you use the relationships you you have to strengthen your walk with God as they should? They should be strengthening your faith. We're not saying that people are not important. Having disciples in your life is such a huge part of our disciplehip, right? We need each other to keep our faith strong but they cannot be the sole provider for our faith. >> The campus ministry has so many strengths. Helps us to build deep convictions on things like evangelism and one another relationships. But we must learn how to be faithful when we

00:32:34 don't have the same structure in place for us. Will you choose Jesus when your friends want to party? Will you choose Jesus when your family doesn't want you to go to church? Will you choose Jesus when you have sin that needs to get into the light? >> We must have conviction on building our personal relationship with God and not doing it for or because of the people around us. I remember when somebody was inviting

00:33:05 someone behind me to Bible talk in 2016 and I knew that I was probably next, you know, like I knew that these people, whoever was asking this dude who was not having it, they were going to ask me to come to Bible talk next. This was in 2016. So this guy turns around and kind of awkwardly like points at me and says, "Would you like to come to Bible talk on Tuesday night?" And just something clicked in my head and I was like, I remember choosing to

00:33:35 have Tuesday nights off. And I was a drug dealer at the time, like trying to pay my way through college. Oh, >> you can ask me about it afterwards. So, but I decided, hey, why not? Let's just throw Jesus in the mix, you know? So, I studied the Bible, became a disciple, and less than two years later, both of those guys walked away from God. >> Imagine if my faith had been based off of them.

00:34:07 >> Imagine if I had followed their every example. But thankfully the spirit matured me enough during that time to see that I should follow Jesus. >> Amen. >> And amen. The Bible says if if we see leaders in our life that their faith has resulted in amazing things, then we should imitate those leaders. Hebrews 10. >> But what I'm saying is that we our motivation needs to be for Christ.

00:34:38 >> Yeah. >> Not for other people. Yeah. >> Amen. >> Or for social pressures. >> Make sense? >> See, >> so having a God- centered spirituality means becoming mature in Christ, being intentional about growing a deeper, more intimate relationship with God before we try and do more for him. We need to dig our roots deep before we decide to grow up. >> But it also means being motivated by Jesus. Jesus is the end goal.

00:35:12 We're not placing our faith in just the church because that faith will get crushed by man's flaws. So my challenges for you guys are these two things and then we'll do a little Q&A. Take responsibility for your own spirituality. Wherever you are you in your walk right now. If you were just baptized a week ago, you can take responsibility for your spirituality. >> Yeah. If you were baptized 8 5 4 3 2 1 year ago, you can take responsibility

00:35:43 and make your spirituality God centered. >> Yep. >> Amen. >> And then my second challenge for you is repent and be open when you're tempted to be motivated by church traditions or pleasing man. >> Like if if you're in a discipling time and you start to feel some pride about what somebody's saying in your life, >> we need to talk about that. We need to talk about the things going on and the motivations going on in our hearts because not getting open and trying to

00:36:16 stay faithful, that kind of faith won't keep you faithful >> because then you'll just be motivated by people. Y. >> So, I'm so encouraged by all of you guys, >> especially for how many of you this is your first ICMC. It's so encouraging to see you guys here. And I just want to encourage you, make your spirituality yours, >> knowing that if you do, you will be part

00:36:47 of the bigger hole that Christ has in store for us. And we will do things out of an overflow of thankfulness. >> Yeah. >> Amen. >> Amen.